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10 posts from March 2011

US savings

By Dave Birch posted Mar 28 2011 at 10:25 AM

What would a rational US policy on the circulating medium of exchange look like? What notes and coins should be in circulation? I think it's time to start thinking about narrowing the range in order to reduce costs (and increase convenience).

One obvious way to reduce costs would be to follow countries including Australia and Canada and in replacing paper banknotes with plastic (polymer) banknotes. In a paper on this called "Production Costs, Seigniorage and Counterfeiting: Central Banks’ Incentives for Improving their Banknote Technology" from October last year, Forum friend Leo van Hove, together with co-authors Bouhdaoui and Bounie, calculates that the adoption of such notes would entail a drop in seigniorage revenue of roughly 0.1% (because of higher initial production costs) but would halve the annual replacement costs for banknotes, resulting in net savings of $374m per annum.

Using data from 1998, they find that the biggest cost saving would come from moving to a plastic $20, whereas the replacement of the $100 bill only becomes profitable after accounting for counterfeiting because without the reduction in counterfeiting the decrease in seigniorage revenue exceeds the savings in replacement costs. It's easy to see why: $100 bills are not used to support commerce, so they don't circulate in the US (I'm sure the majority are outside the US and will never be repatriated) and therefore don't get worn and returned for replacement, whereas $20s are still used in retail.

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In fact, I've noticed that more and more places in the US will no longer accept bills greater than $20 anyway, so if the US government could be persuaded to give up the seigniorage income from the $100 (in return for much reduced tax evasion and such like) then it would surely be sensible to move the $5, $10 and $20 to plastic and abolish the $50 and $100.

The $1 is another case entirely. The US is crazy to continue producing $1 bills as well as pennies that cost nearly two cents to make. I say scrap both. Give up on the penny and make the $1 coin work (which it would do if there were a deadline for withdrawing the bills). Leo and the chaps note that the “golden dollar” coin costs six times more to produce than the $1 bill (but lasts 14 times longer) ). If the government were to completely replace the $1 bill with the coin then it would save $116m per annum. This is interestingly slightly less than the estimate of $119m per annum it would save by going to plastic $1 bills.

The coin still makes more sense. Personally, I would much prefer to use a contactless card or mobile phone in the luggage cart machine at the airport, at the parking meter and in the Coke machine then mess about with coins or bills, but at least coins work in vending machines whereas bills drive you crazy being rejected again and again. I did notice, though, that the airport cart people have found an imaginative alternative solution: now they charge $4 instead of coins they take cards...

Maybe we need a new, technology-neutral Durbin-like amendement to reduce the cost of payments in the US, but this time one that doesn't discriminate in favour of cash at the expense of more efficient alternatives and imposes cost-reduction targets on the currency. Incidentally, just to show how up-to-date I am with my finger on the pulse of money, after typing in the above, I settled down and found myself reading this...

In American, the questions are still more pressing, involving the return to specie payments, the future regulation of paper currency, its partial replacement by coin, and the exact size and character of the American dollar.

What hip and trendy blog did I find this on? Actually, it's from "Money and the Mechanism of Exchange" by William Stanley Jevons, published in 1875. Money's a conservative topic.

Toby Baxendale, Cobden

By Dave Birch posted Mar 24 2011 at 4:22 PM

Toby Baxendale is an entrepreneur who built up and sold www.directseafoods.co.uk, Britain’s largest fresh fish supplier to the catering trade. He also has active interests in several charities and is a Magistrate and an Ironman triathlete. Toby is dedicated to furthering the teaching of the Austrian School of Economics and the revival of the Great Manchester School of Cobden and Bright. Concerning the former he has helped with its revival at the London School of Economics. He established The Cobden Centre to promote social progress through honest money, free trade and peace. The Centre endorses Richard Cobden's view that "Peace will come to earth when the people have more to do with each other and governments less".

In this podcast, he talks about the goals of the centre and reflects on Hayek's suggestions of competing private currencies as a way to achieve "honest money".

You can download this and other podcasts in both podcast (MPEG4) and sound-only (MP3) format from the Consult Hyperion podcast page, where you can also subscribe to the podcast RSS feed. If you have iTunes, you can find the podcasts in the iTunes Store: just search for "Consult Hyperion" in the podcasts area and you can click and subscribe. Alternatively, you can click on this iTunes link.

Party like it's 2019

By Dave Birch posted Mar 24 2011 at 12:59 PM

After sitting in on a few sessions at the International Payments Summit 2011 -- and in particular the excellent Chatham House session chaired by Forum friend Ruth Wandhofer of Citi -- I have to say that in all honesty my professional opinion is that it's a mess. The ECB predicted that SEPA would erode payment margins in Europe by 5-10% (eventually) but that banks and customers would benefit from lower costs in the long run. Yet the cost burden is crushing. According Equens, there are 200 different formats for SEPA Credit Transfer (SCT) and SEPA Direct Debit (SDD) messages. They further estimate that since both the XML message formats and the EPC rulebooks are updated every year, it means 20-30,000 man-days per annum just to maintain the software. And that's for just one processor. What's more, SEPA is reducing competition (and therefore increasing costs) in local markets long before the projected cost savings arrive.

One way to do something to bring on these cost savings might be to enforce and end date. When I had the honour of chairing ECB board member Gertrude Tumpel-Gugerell in Brussels last November, she said that an end-date for SEPA would be her first New Year's resolution for 2011. Well all I can say after IPS 2011, is good luck Gertrude. If there is going to be an agreed end-date this year, I'd lay a pound to a penny that it will be 2019. Frankly, who knows what will have happened to the payments business by then?

Gertrude and others have said that one of the goals of SEPA was to encourage innovation to the payment sector, but has it? Tom Noyes excellent analysis of the current environment ends with three key constraints on innovation.

Innovators are dependent on local national relationships to launch a product;
SEPA creates harmonization, but country specific laws and regulatory guidance are unique;
ECB initiatives (ex. See ELMI) create opportunities for non-bank participation in payments, but SEPA has removed all margin from the business.

[From Payments Innovation in Europe « FinVentures]

I'm not so sure about that last point. SEPA has removed all of the margin if you are bank, but if you are not a bank and are not dependent on their high-cost, highly-regulated infrastructure. All of these issues mean that I can't help but let an evil thought wander in to myconsciousness, a thought-crime of the most serious degree. What is SEPA doesn't happen? What if it ends up defining the standard for pan-European payment infrastructure that is vanishing? Worse still, what if there are sinister forces at work to torpedo the project?

The EC will "effectively derail the entire Sepa project" if upcoming regulatory intervention on migration end dates does not include deadlines for phasing out national schemes, says the European Payments Council.

[From Finextra: EC migration plans would 'derail the entire Sepa project' - EPC]

I don't want to bore foreign readers with the ins and outs of the relationship between the Commission and the EPC, but I will say that it is not good. If the Commission regulatory "intervention" were to be to mandate the EPC rulebooks with a fixed deadline, then banks (I'm pretty sure, having spoken to quite a few bankers about this) would grin and bear it. In some countries (eg, Germany) it might be an unpopular decision, but it would get done. Instead, the Commission seem to want to tinker with what the EPC has been going but without an end date? Why? (Answer: because they are politicians responding to national interests.)

Personally, I think the Commission are derailing the train taking us to lower costs in other ways as well, such as by forcing retailers to accept euro coins and high-value euro banknotes, thus promoting the least efficient and most expensive payment mechanism instead of electronic alternatives that would be better for society.

Cached

By Dave Birch posted Mar 23 2011 at 10:57 PM

Once again, an outraged article in a British tabloid -- this time the Daily Mail -- about the end of cheque clearing in 2018. Predictably, it is the desperate plight of the elderly that forms the centrepiece of Lauren Thompson's article "Clueless banks pressing on with purge on cheques", featuring a case study on a 76-year old woman who sends her gardener to the Post Office every week to collect her £315 in benefits. She says "cheques work perfectly well for me".

From April next year, Giro cheques will be scrapped. Pensioners and benefit claimants will be forced to go to their nearest PayPoint outlet - found at shops like Co-op, spar and Sainsbury's Local - instead of the Post Office.

[From Banks and the Government are pressing on with purge on cheques | Mail Online]

It is not explained why sending her gardener to the corner shop to pick up her benefits from a PayPoint terminal fills her with such dread, but her comment is telling: cheques work well for her because I'm paying for them. I couldn't care less if I never see a cheque again: the only cheques we've written in the last month have been to schools (I simply don't understand why they can't take PayPal or payment via FPS) and to the local council, which presumably regards cheques as the most modern of payment instruments. But cheques waste time and money, and it's right to have a national plan to get rid of them, no matter what the Daily Mail thinks about the Payments Council.

I have to say that I sympathise with the Payments Council. I read somewhere that half of British consumers are unaware of the 2018 target date to end cheque clearing. But then half of them of unaware of anything, so I'm not sure that there's much the Payments Council could do to change this. We live, as I'm often reminded, in a country where 50% of the population don't know what 50% means.

The Payments Council seems to have become a particular target for middle England's hatred. A letter in the very same edition of the newspaper notes that "obviously banks prefer cheaper systems of cards and electronic transfer" (as do I) and asks what about (once again) elderly or housebound people who depend on cheques by post. This is an interesting line of debate. In Finland, no-one has used a cheque since 1993. Nobody in Sweden has a cheque book. You would need a Powerpoint presentation to explain what a cheque is to anyone under 30 in the Netherlands. Yet elderly and/or housebound people seem to survive in Rotterdam and Espoo. Unless the Daily Mail has a specific reason to suspect that elderly people in Amersham are somehow stupider, or less flexible, or less able to learn than elderly people in Amsterdam, I don't understand the problem.

Of course, the Daily Mail could always step in to ameliorate these desperate circumstances. Cheques aren't being outlawed in 2018, but cheque clearing is going to stop. If Associated Newspapers wants to apply for a Payment Institution (PI) licence and operate its own cheque system, then good luck to them. I truly hope that they can do this and make a profitable business out of it, because I am genuinely in favour of choice. The merit of this plan is evident: people who want to keep on using cheques can pay for them. I should say, by the way, that this won't predominantly be pensioners and their domestic staff, but small businesses.

Obviously mobile payments will be huge. But from my perspective, it is easy to get caught up in what the 5-10% first movers are doing and forget that less than 30% of all small businesses accept any form of electronic payment.

[From PYMNTS Innovator: Checks are Checking Out - Will that be Cash, Credit or Mobile? - pymnts.com]

This is one of the reasons why I spent my time at PayPal X looking at the SME solutions rather than some of the "sexier" new technology thangs like set-top box payments. I'm not negative about this at all - a great many small businesses are moving to electronic payments (I bought my wife some jewellery from a stall at a charity fair last weekend and the lady happily accepted my credit card using her rented GPRS terminal - she told me it cost her £27 per month plus a per-transaction fee and that she was delighted with it) and I don't doubt the trend will accelerate as mobile payments grow and their convenience overtakes the conservative inertia around cheque payments.

Even in the cheque's last redoubt, the United States, its position is being eroded. All new federal benefit recipients will be switched to electronic transfer from May of this year and all existing cheque recipients will be switched to electronic transfer by 2013. These moves will save the government more than $100m per annum. And there are plenty of other problems with cheques aside from the cost (which, to be fair, has been substantially reduced because of Check21). Here's noted computer scientist Don Knuth, reflecting on some bank fraud problems that arise from the fact that account details are printed on the face of cheques.

One consequence of this debacle is, alas, that I can no longer write checks to reward the people who discover errors in my books. The system that I've been using has worked well for almost forty years; but recently I have had to close three checking accounts, and the criminal attacks on those accounts have caused significant grief to my bankers... Instead of writing personal checks, I'll write personal certificates of deposit to each awardee's account at the Bank of San Serriffe, which is an offshore institution that has branches in Blefuscu and Elbonia on the planet Pincus.

[From Knuth: Recent News]

The switch is underway from checks as well as cheques. The primary beneficiary of the switch will, I think, more likely be the prepaid card industry rather than the Bank of San Serriffe, because the economics of banking mean that providing what used to be known as "basic bank accounts" to most of these welfare recipients makes no sense, and I expect the increase in volume to bring more players, and more competition, and therefore better products to the sector. Now, let me be clear in saying that I am not shilling for the prepaid boys here. There are plenty of things wrong with the prepaid proposition (and I'll be writing more about this shortly). But as prepaid evolves to the mobile, TV and other platforms, it provides the natural route to cheque eradication, and even Joan Bakewell will get used to it.

NFC in the real world

By Dave Birch posted Mar 22 2011 at 12:33 PM

Nick Holland from Yankee Group made a good point in their recent webinar on "NFC Not Just for Cards". I'm probably only saying it's a good point because it's a point that I make too, but nevertheless the addition of an NFC interface to a mobile does change the relationship between the real and virtual worlds.

Put the two things together, in the form of near-field communication (NFC) handsets, and you have something special... Over the coming decade, the mobile phone will shift from being a network end-point to being a pivot between local and global environments, an indispensable and personal security token that bridges physical and virtual commerce.

[From Digital Money: Ten more years of technology]

Nick talked about this "hyperlinking" to the physical world and made the sensible point that while dull persons such as myself are obsessed with payments, the use of NFC will be far wider. This is perfectly correct, and I happened to see an excellent illustration of this general point in NFC World this very morn.

Some 35,000 households in Haiti are receiving 'clean water' buckets — which consist of a chlorine solution and an RFID-tagged five-gallon bucket to treat and store water — from the charity Deep Springs International (DSI). On each bucket is an RFID tag which is read during regular visits by community-based health workers who carry NFC-equipped Nokia 6212 phones. Just holding the phone up to the bucket reads the tag and records the visit, then they measure the amount of chlorine in the water and key it in to the handset

[From NFC phones help provide clean water to Haiti earthquake victims • NFC World]

In fact we have consistently advised clients that payments will be a niche. Anyway, Nick is correct, and on the Digital Identity Blog I've repeatedly made the point that the use of NFC to support digital identity applications will, in the long run, be far more important than digital money applications. A big step forward in assembling this infrastructure went almost unnoticed last year when the NFC specifications were extended to include the digital signing of data.

The Signature RTD candidate technical specification helps users verify the authenticity and integrity of data within NDEF messages by specifying the format to be used when signing single or multiple NDEF records. It defines the required and optional signature RTD fields, and also provides a list of suitable signature algorithms and certificate types that can be used to create the signature

[From NFC Forum : NFC Forum Announces Specifications to Support Peer-to-Peer Device Communication and Verify Data Authenticity ]

This is important, because if you want to go round touching real world things and have them connect to virtual world things, you need to be sure that they are what you think they are and they are part of the right infrastructure. When I tap on the poster in the restaurant window, I want to be sure that it is a legitimate hyperlink that will take me to a menu and not to a porn site. With this infrastructure in place, all sorts of new businesses become possible (and desirable). It means that someone if going to have organise how exactly the key, certificates and signatures are going to work and interoperate and that someone probably won't be the mobile operators but a new entrant.

These "pivot" functions, that link the local and remote environment will, I firmly predict, lead to some incredible new applications. Fortunately, some of them will involve payments, which will be really good news for some of our clients.

These opinions are my own (I think) and presented solely in my capacity as an interested member of the general public [posted with ecto]

Martha Bennett, Ovum

By Dave Birch posted Mar 15 2011 at 2:17 PM

Martha Bennett is the Practice Leader, Financial Services & Retail Technology at Ovum, where she is responsible for the direction of Ovum’s global financial services and retail technology coverage. She works with executives in business and IT to review their technology strategy and/or IT governance structures, and provides analysis and thought leadership on industry trends. She also helps technology providers optimize their approach to the market. Martha is an internationally recognized authority on technology developments, effective technology exploitation, and associated management issues. Prior to joining Datamonitor in October 2006, Martha was VP & Research Director for Financial Services EMEA at Forrester Research. She came to Forrester through its acquisition of Giga Information Group. She has over 20 years of technology experience and has held a number of senior positions involving the investigation and introduction of new technologies to the enterprise. Before joining Giga Information Group, Martha’s roles included Head of Advanced Technology at Prudential Corporation, and manager at Price Waterhouse’s World Multimedia Unit. Martha earned an M.A. in English literature, American studies and modern history from the University of Erlangen-Nürnberg in Germany. A qualified translator, Martha is fully bilingual in English and German.

You can download this and other podcasts in both podcast (MPEG4) and sound-only (MP3) format from the Consult Hyperion podcast page, where you can also subscribe to the podcast RSS feed. If you have iTunes, you can find the podcasts in the iTunes Store: just search for "Consult Hyperion" in the podcasts area and you can click and subscribe. Alternatively, you can click on this iTunes link.

Hip to be Square

By Dave Birch posted Mar 12 2011 at 2:10 PM

Many years ago, when I was a mere slip of a consultant, I was sent by a client to check out a company called WorldPay, then run by Forum friend Nick Ogden. I reported back to the retail bank I was engaged by that I couldn't see where WorldPay was going, since it didn't provide any service that the bank couldn't provide themselves given a small amount of development effort. Therefore I assumed that the bank, like all other banks, would soon be providing a comprehensive range of services for new internet businesses and that WorldPay's niche would vanish.

Royal Bank of Scotland Group Plc, the U.K.’s biggest government-owned bank, agreed to sell its credit- card payment processing unit to Advent International Corp. and Bain Capital LLC for 1.7 billion pounds ($2.7 billion).

[From RBS Sells WorldPay to Advent, Bain for $2.7 Billion - Bloomberg]

Please! Don't listen to me about anything to do with business! I didn't realise that there is no such thing as a quick and dirty development in a bank, and that starting a new line of business doesn't happen overnight. There's a big, big gap between people like me saying that all the bank needs is a simple internet gateway and a merchant acquisition process and these systems and processes actually getting going. Things just don't work like that, for all of the well-known reasons (focus on core business etc). I was thinking about this when I got into a discussion with someone a few days ago. They said that Square does nothing that existing stakeholders in the card business couldn't do themselves, so it has no long-term future, the argument being that Barclays or Streamline could just offer a similar service. And Square is reducing its charges, meaning less margin, so they won't be able to beat the big boys on cost either.

Square’s rates will fall to a flat fee of 2.75 percent per transaction instead of charging 2.75 percent plus an additional 15 cents. (The rate for when a credit card number is keyed in, rather than swiped, will remain the same at 3.5 percent plus 15 cents.)

[From Square Sacrifices Revenues to Ramp Mobile Payment Volumes | Tricia Duryee | eMoney | AllThingsD]

All true. But the reality is that just because other merchant acquirers could do this does not mean that they can do this, and if Square can provide just enough added-value with their app to get traction in the small business sector (they are already processing a million dollars a day), then when new payment technologies come along (eg, NFC phones that can accept payments from contactless cards) the merchants will just expect Square to handle them for them. We have long been advising clients that the key disruptive role of mobile phones in the payments world is the ability to take payments, not to make them.

Incidentally, I can't resisting commenting on the Square-based debate that sprung up over the last few days. As I'm sure you all know, Verifone wrote an open letter pointing out that Square is not fully PCI compliant, something that has been known since the product was first announced.

iPhone cannot be made PCI compliant without first encrypting the card BEFORE it gets into the iPhone (see the Verifone solution)

[From Square Up update « FinVentures]

Not that interesting, to be honest, but it did stir things up and Square had to respond, which they did by pointing out that the problem is with a payment system built on trivially-copyable magnetic stripes and the like.

In his response, Dorsey said any technology, including "an encrypted card reader, phone camera or plain old pen and paper," can be used to steal information. "If you provide your credit card to someone who intends to steal from you, they already have everything they need: the information on the front of your card,"

[From Square Responds to VeriFone s Security Claims - American Banker Article]

Will master criminals intent on skimming card numbers sign up with Square and then install a dodgy app? Probably not. There are plenty of better options out there, including the existing magnetic stripe readers that the criminals already use.

Exposing Square’s security vulnerabilities in this manner is an act of outright hostility on VeriFone’s part, and a sign that it’s unnerved by Square’s growth.

[From VeriFone Attacks Rival Square With Ethically-Questionable Security Exploit: Apple News, Tips and Reviews «]

Not that it's any of my business, but this is why the letter looks like a mistake. If I were Verifone, I would have spent my time making a better iPhone card reader, or something that plugs in to Android phones or EMV chip/contactless readers or whatever, or partnering with people to deliver great merchant service, or something else to compete.

Still going strong after 14 years

By Dave Birch posted Mar 11 2011 at 1:53 AM

The 14th annual Consult Hyperion Digital Money Forum was terrific. Here's some of the feedback we've already had:

  • “Excellent! Thank you again”
  • “A most enjoyable event with a variety of speakers”
  • "It was very stimulating"
  • "A very informative conference which didn’t disappoint."
  • “Very good – as always, so much new stuff"
  • "a terrific #dmf14 session on private vs public money"
  • "I saw the future, the past and, surprisingly, the freedom of cash.”
  • “Very good – as always, so much new stuff!”

First of all, and I can't say this often enough, a very big thank you to the event sponsors who made it all possible: Visa Europe and Monitise. For an event like the Forum it's really important to have sponsors who share our goals, and both of them were great, giving us the freedom to choose an eclectic mix of speakers and panelist who really helped the delegates (and us) to think in some new ways and to spark off new ideas about where to go next in the world of e-payments. This makes for a special event, unlike the commercial conferences that we attend throughout the year. The economist Diane Coyle, who was kind enough to chair the keynote session on day two, put it very nicely

As ever the Digital Money Forum proved itself a must for anyone interested in the intersection of technology and money

[From The Enlightened Economist :: Good money, digital or analogue]

And thanks also to our newest supporters, Olswang, who kindly sponsored to pub quiz (which was great fun) and the drinks that went with it.

I won't go over everything that was discussed -- the presentations are online if you want to download them -- but I will highlight a couple of points that emerged over the two days. First of all, both of the opening sessions, which mixed history and future, worked very well and did, I think, help people to think more imaginatively about the discussions later in the day. The expert panels were popular as always, although I really should keep them to only four people per panel. I've had some interesting feedback about the panel on alternative currencies, which I think gave many organisations some unexpected directions to explore.

Mobile was, naturally, a key topic and pervaded many of the discussions. We may have to make it a bigger fraction of the agenda next year if we can find some new angles to approach it from. A lot of the delegates remarked on how juxtaposing lessons being learned in both developed and developing markets worked well, so that's something to think about.

We've already started thinking about 15th Digital Money Forum and what we're going to do to change things again. I can promise all of you that the event will keep moving forward. Next year will see a new venue (and, yes, there will be free wifi for all), some new ideas for interaction and some changes in the programme structure. One thing that won't change is the art and design competition: given the outstanding presentations at the end of this years' Forum, we'll definitely do that again! If you weren't there, I urge you to take a look at the competition winners and appreciate the imagination and invention that went into them.

If I had to highlight one presentation, it was Catherine Eagleton's keynote. Catherine is the curator of Modern Money at the British Museum and co-author of the excellent Money-A History. She asked the delegates to send her examples of anything that should be preserved, particularly the intermediate forms of new payment systems that are forgotten in the long run. I hope some of them will take her up on that. But she also mentioned in passing how difficult it is to think of ways to preserve World of Warcraft gold pieces or Facebook credits for posterity, and I keep thinking about it now. It came up last year when Consult Hyperion were asked to provide a piece on mobile money for the Science Museum. We were enthusiastic, but soon realised that a phone in a glass case (with a dead battery) is not much of an exhibition, and I'm afraid the curators concurred. So if anyone has any ideas on that one, please get in touch (although it does give me an idea for next year's competition!).

Oh, and I should finish by saying to everyone who mentioned it (and there were quite a few), yes, the hotel coffee was slop that I wouldn't have fed to pigs and I swear with my hand on my heart that if we ever serve stuff like that to you again I will personally take all delegates to the nearest Caffe Nero and buy every single one of them a drink there myself.

Join us at the International Payments Summit on 21st March in London

By Dave Birch posted Mar 7 2011 at 9:57 AM

I really enjoyed the annual International Payments Summit last year, so this year we decided to work with them on a small experiment. On 21st March we've helped to put together a 1-day summit on the future of e-transactions, called (somewhat provocatively, I must confess) "cash is dead".

The idea is to discuss the world of digital transactions (which, of course, in our world means digital money and digital identity) to help organisations who are putting together strategies make some realistic decisions about where future competitive advantage may lay. Naturally, reflecting my own prejudices, there will be plenty of discussion about opportunities for financial services organisations to either provide or exploit the coming range of digital identity services.

As organisers, Consult Hyperion have a couple of complimentary delegate places to give away, so if you plan to be in London on 21st March 2011 and you'd like to come along to the Lancaster London and join in the discussion, please e-mail me ASAP and I will arrange. Don't pass up this offer as we have a great bunch of people coming along for panels, discussions and networking, see you there.

These opinions are my own (I think) and presented solely in my capacity as an interested member of the general public [posted with ecto]

Gijs Boudewijn, Dutch Bankers' Association

By Dave Birch posted Mar 5 2011 at 10:52 AM

Gijs Boudewijn is the Head of Payment and Security Affairs at the Dutch Bankers' Association in Amsterdam, in which capacity he is a member of the European Payments Council and the Payment Systems Committee of the European Banking Federation in Brussels. In this podcast, he talks about the unique payment environment in the Netherlands, where some streets are already cash-free.

You can download this and other podcasts in both podcast (MPEG4) and sound-only (MP3) format from the Consult Hyperion podcast page, where you can also subscribe to the podcast RSS feed. If you have iTunes, you can find the podcasts in the iTunes Store: just search for "Consult Hyperion" in the podcasts area and you can click and subscribe. Alternatively, you can click on this iTunes link.